How should one respond to those who say that Jesus is just a spin-off of pagan deities?
Before we look at some of these alleged parallels between Christianity and paganism (and why theyâre false), itâs important to note that similarity does not imply dependence. That is, even if Christianity did have beliefs and practices similar to those of earlier religions, it doesnât follow that there must be a causal connection between them.
Similarities among religions shouldnât surprise us. Most religions, after all, try to answer the same fundamental questions in life: âWhere did we come from?â, âIs there an afterlife?â, âHow should we live?â Most religions have rituals, sacred stories, and moral codes. It would be surprising if there weren’t some similarities among them. In fact, you might say that the similarities are a sign that God does existâyou might expect different religions in different eras and cultures to reach many similar conclusions about what heâs like and how to relate to him.
Claims that Christian beliefs about Jesus are adapted from pagan cults may be popular today, but theyâre nothing new. A school of nineteenth-century German theologians sought to interpret Jesus against a pagan background rather than a Jewish one, perhaps due to the anti-Semitic desire for an Aryan Jesus. The movement continued into the early twentieth century with writers such as J. M. Robertson, William Benjamin Smith, Arthur Drews, and others who sought to deny the historicity of Christ by drawing upon the work of liberal theologians who tended to deny the value to the sources for Jesus outside of the New Testament. Unfortunately for these critics, their arguments were not taken seriously by mainstream critics and their work fell into relative obscurity. It was not until a British professor of German named G.A. Wells rediscovered and translated this German scholarship in the 1970âs that the myth argument rose to prominence again. However, it is still a fringe movement and even Wells has abandoned it and admits there is a historical basis for the stories about Jesus.
The fact is, there is no serious debate among the vast majority of scholars in the fields related to the question of the historicity of Jesus. Even agnostics such as Bart Ehrman who has become popular for his arguments against the reliability of the New Testament admit that Jesus was a real historical figure, he writes, âThe view that Jesus existed is held by virtually every expert on the planetâ
Among the many ancient pagan deities of which Christ is said to be a copy, the Egyptian god Horus seems to get the most attention. Although much could be said about each of the alleged parallels between Jesus and Horus, due to our limited space we will examine three: 1) Horusâs virgin birth, 2) his crucifixion, and 3) his resurrection.
1) Horus was born to a virgin mother.
Several different (and contradictory) stories about Horus have developed gradually over the last 3,000 years, but the most common story of his conception espoused by mythicists today involves his father, Osiris and mother, Isis. It goes like this: When Osiris was murdered and his body cut up into fourteen pieces, his wife Isis journeyed throughout Egypt collecting them. She was able to find all pieces except his genitals (not making this up), which had been eaten by catfish at the bottom of the Nile. Isis then makes a prosthetic phallus, gets impregnated by it and along comes Horus. [For an authoritative and thorough reference to ancient Egyptian myth see The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt. Oxford University Press, 2003]
A virgin birth? Not exactly.
2) Horus was crucified.
How did Horus die? Well, again, that depends on which account you go by. Horus either a) did not die, b) died as a child after having being poisoned by a scorpion, or c) his death is conflated with Osiris (recounted above). Meanwhile the popular mythicist film Zeitgeist claims he was âcrucified.â Now, crucifixion was a Roman invention; there was no Egyptian equivalent. So what is the justification for this belief? There are images of Horus standing with outstretched arms. Thatâs it. As the filmâs study guide explains, âThe issue at hand is not a man being thrown to the ground and nailed to a cross, as Jesus is depicted to have been, but the portrayal of gods and goddesses in cruciform, where by the divine figure appears with arms outstretched in a symbolic context.â
By this line of reasoning we should also conclude that Barney the dinosaur was also crucified, since there are many images of him standing with outstretched arms!
3) Horus rose from the dead.
The fact is that the dying and revivification of Horus is vastly dissimilar to the death and resurrection of Christ. Indeed the view that ancient pagan religions were filled with dying and rising gods which the New Testament authors borrowed from in order to concoct the story of Christ was put to rest by Jonathan Z. Smith in the late 1980s, in his article âdying-rising godsâ in the scholarly and authoritative Encyclopedia of Religion. He writes
âThe category of dying and rising gods, once a major topic of scholarly investigation, must be understood to have been largely a misnomer based on imaginative reconstructions and exceedingly late or highly ambiguous texts. . . . All the deities that have been identified as belonging to the class of dying and rising deities can be subsumed under the two larger classes of disappearing deities or dying deities. In the first case the deities return but have not died; in the second case the gods die but do not return. There is no unambiguous instance in the history of religions of a dying and rising deity.â
Conclusion
When dialoging with those who claim that Jesus is just a spin-off of a pagan God, you should keep three things in mind. 1) Ask them where they are getting their information. If they point you to a particular website or movie, ask them where that website or movie got their information. 2) Take the parallels one at a time. Itâs easy for someone to rattle off a list of alleged parallels making it appear that the evidence is overwhelming, but if you take the time to examine each supposed parallel youâll find, as we found above, that they are not very similar at all. 3) Study the alleged parallels from authoritative sources yourself. You could purchase The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, put out by Oxford University Press, or for a shorter treatment Iâd suggest conducting an Internet search for ârefuting zeitgeist the movieâ by Professor of philosophy and religion, Mark W. Foreman.
Good, solid research friend.
So you draw your conclusion from just 3 comparisons and call it a day? LOL Also since you all find the story of Isis amusing, I’m sure you find Eve talking to a snake in the Garden of Eden pretty normal too eh?
Seems to me Dionysus is a pretty good candidate for a dying and rising deity.
I found this regarding the birth (Births) of Dionysus, when you compare the birth, death and resurrection of Christ they have nothing in common but assertions.https://mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/2180/why-was-dionysus-a-dying-and-rising-god-called-thrice-born
In the Orphic tradition, Dionysus was the son of Zeus and Persephone. As a young boy, he was slain by the Titans, at the behest of Hera. Zeus recovered the boy’s heart, made it into a potion and gave it to Semele, who then gave birth to the second incarnation of Dionysus. This tradition includes Egyptian elements, having several elements in parallel with the Osiris myth.
Now, in the Hesiodic tradition – the one Diodorus Siculus calls the “Greek account” – the story is a bit different. The Dionysus born of Zeus and Semele is the first incarnation, and Dionysus is reborn from Zeus’ thigh when Semele dies.
The epithet “ĎĎίγονον” points to a reconciliation of the two traditions, a fused version of the story. The older Dionysus, Zagreus, was born of Zeus and Persephone and died at the hands of the Titans. He was then born again when his mortal mother died, and then a third time when he emerged from his father’s thigh.
He’s not, Dionysus: eaten by Titans, except for the heart; Zeus preserves the heart; Zeus implants the heart as a fetus in a mortal woman who delivers (again) Dionysus alive. The gospel accounts don’t just not copy pagan accounts: they’re completely dissimilar.
early christians were universally jews, and rejected anything that smacked of paganism. They try to force their messiah to fit into jewish stories, not pagan stories. pagans didn’t have a dying and rising god trope, nor of a resurrection, with the possible exception of the Egyptians, who believed you could take worldly possessions with you. The idea of a resurrection was an incredibly offensive concept to pagans. https://ehrmanblog.org/other-gods-who-die-and-rise-from-the-dead/
The stories told about jesus are simply different from pagan tropes, even among later stories of deification of men, such as Alexander:
“Just to take two examples. As I spell out at greater lengths on one of my blog posts, even though there are numerous instances of divine men who are supernaturally born, there is no instance of a divine man being born to a âvirgin,â as happens in the case of Jesus, for example in the Gospel of Matthew. The entire point of most of the pagan supernatural birth stories is that a (mortal) woman is made pregnant by a God, precisely by having sex with her (often in human form, though sometimes Zeus preferred being in the form of a swan, or a snake, orâŚ. some other animal, for some odd reason). I donât know of any instances in which a woman gives birth as a virgin. So too: the resurrection. The Gospel understanding of the resurrection is that Jesus came back into his body (a one-time corpse) which was then transformed and raised and exalted (explicitly in Luke-Acts) to heaven. This reanimation of the body type of resurrection is not attested, so far as I know, for any other divine man in antiquity.
This is an important point because mythicists want to claim that all the stories about Jesus were simply taken over from the pagan environment. And this is simply not true.” -June 20, 2017 “Was Jesus Made Up”
The movie said Horus was a mythical figure representing the sun. Your 3 points have nothing to do with the movie.
The movie asserts that Horus is mythical and implies that Jesus is mythical as well because of the similarities that they assert that Jesus has with Horus. So, the comments have everything to do with the movie.